China's population has shrunk for the second year in a row. The National
Bureau of Statistics reports just 9.02 million births in 2023, only half as many
as in 2017. Set alongside China's 11.1 million deaths in 2023, up 500,000 on
2022, it means China's population shrank 2.08 million in 2023 after falling
850,000 in 2022. That's a loss of about three million in two years. The two
consecutive declines are the first since the great famine of 1959-1961, and the
trend is accelerating. What are your thoughts LiveTribers? Why has China’s
population shrunk again?
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Another day, another boat turned up in WA.
This time Chinese.
This needs to stop!
This government, caused this problem.
Illegal invasion needs to stop.
They are doing this in the USA as well.
And many are Chinese.
Stay in you own country, Chinese.
There's too many of you here now.
China's economy has been declining and the actual jobless number is huge. People
has financial problems even feeding themselves. Another reason is that Chinese
people are now, more or less, in an anti-government emotion. When the government
urges them to have babies, they tend to do the opposite.
Billions of people injected with a 'safe and effective' gene therapy over the
last few years. China is not the only country with excess death rates but our
'wonderful' world leaders are obviously keen to depopulate our planet. I guess
it will help them reach their carbon reduction targets. So sad.
Nonsense. You don't know your world history. This land was theirs and not that
long ago taken over by Russia. They're soon to get it back if negotiations go
well. China doesn't start wars and get along, in different ways, with all their
neighbours.
Tbh, I hope China gets what's coming to them in the future.
It was actually good to see their economy going backwards.
They have been too greedy for far too long.
And if you don't think that they don't spy on the west then why have some been
caught out?
They even steal trade secrets of the internet.
They copy cat western designs.
They commit acts of fraud.
Oh, not to mention what they did to several crew members just doing their job
at sea.
Australian naval men who were attacked by the Chinese in open waters.
What a wonderful country!
So trustworthy and honest!
Hmm.
" In your dreams"
Russia would destroy China.
Just because China has much more people doesn't mean anything.
China wants to take over a certain Asian country.
The USA won't allow it to happen.
Many AUSSIES don't like the Chinese.
Their leader isn't liked.
They are completely corrupt.
And they stole Australian jobs.
Go do some checking before you make up more lies.
I really don't want to know their history.
I don't think many western people trust China.
China does cause trouble.
Check the history between China and Japan.
China is the bully of Asia.
I'm pretty well up on western history.
1. The one-child policy, which was in effect from 1979 to 2015, contributed
significantly to a lower birth rate.
2. The cost of living, especially in urban areas, has been increasing, making it
more challenging for couples to afford to raise children.
3. The one-child policy, coupled with a cultural preference for male children,
has led to a significant gender imbalance, with more men than women in the
population.
Definitely!
Labor need to be removed from office.
They don't care what the majority think.
They have an agender to flood as many migrants into Australia as possible.
There have been at least several hundred thousand since Labor were voted into
office.
What a weak prime Minister we have, esp when you consider so many AUSSIES cannot
find a property to rent or buy a house.
Now we have a serious issue with illegal boat people.
This is just the beginning of a nightmare for Australia.
Anyone who thinks this is trivial...needs to see a mental health doctor.
There is no serious issue with illegal boat people here. Anyone who thinks 3
separate groups totaling 40 people who are now in Nauru are a "serious issue" in
a country of 24+million people needs to see a mental health doctor. This is a
non-issue here. Too much emotional fear out of all proportion to the numbers!
How much money is spent on these people?
What about the cost to our nation.
You might change your mind if you had to pay for their keep.
Ridiculous comments.
Tell that to the majority of AUSSIES.
We did have a problem before and now it's continuing under Labor.
Haha.
I don't think I'm the one who needs help!
Most of us can't be insane.
Actually..the population is over 26 million,
and climbing faster than any other western nation.
Do try to keep up!
It's definitely a big issue for most AUSSIES.
Maybe you don't read or watch the NEWS much.
What's to say there wont be plenty more?
Get your head out of your other end!
For such a large population,this could be a good thing & take pressure off for
expansion.I not sure what is causing it,however I think it will be a good thing
if it continues.
(Vegandelight )needs to check his facts beforehand.
To blame John Howard for those boat people coming here some years ago-- smacks
of ignorance.
And they weren't Chinese btw.
John Howard stopped more coming here.
Fact!
Labour is allowing it to happen again.
And regards to overpopulation, well you have a very old mentality.
I live in the real world and can see the mess it's all in.
Don't say births are a divine right, if that were true abortion would be
also.
That makes absolutely no sense.
The world is overpopulated and many scientists have said so.
Most people tend to believe we are.
Go on facts not your outdated views.
Go to a poor country and see how they live.
You might soon change your mind.
Poverty isn't good for a child's future.
We don't have a population plan.
You can not keep reproducing humans.
Something has to give eventually.
When do we limit population?
We only live on one planet.
China once had a famine as the writer above said.
It's not surprising since they weren't as economically advanced as they are
now.
It can happen again.
Their economy is on the brink of serious trouble.
The western countries helped China become a richer nation.
They did take our jobs.
They made it easy for western companies to set up business in China.
Both major parties and those companies are to blame.
I'm afraid that you are out of touch with reality.
Most Australians see the truth.
China even put up trade restrictions against Aus when we had Covid.
They didn't like the truth that was told to them.
China has never taken any responsibility for causing Covid.
If there ever was a war in Australia involving China and the west, I wonder
who's side you would be on then?
You are even attacking Australia, though you live here.
It's terrible when someone becomes a traitor.
I wrote, for the record, "John Howard acted illegally and killed many in doing
so, endangered the lives of those carrying out his agenda. Please google it if
you won't read his auto-biography." How you interpret that to mean I blame him
for boat people coming here years ago is beyond me. Nothing to do with Chinese!
I said he did it illegally and you recall how much it cost us? Compensation to
the PNG government for 'warehousing' 1000 people on their Manus Island cost
Australians upwards of $70million! Labor (check your spelling, again!) are at
least doing things legally and working with what they have. Again, stop making
illogical assumptions... abortions are man-made... how can you not see that? The
world and especially this country with its one or two people per square km, are
not over-populated... and many other scientists have written so! Poverty is man
made... especially by the USA in recent times and Britain earlier. We do not
limit population as we have no right to. Thou Shalt Not Kill! You'd struggle to
find any written works espousing fear of "over-population" prior to c.1759 when
plagiarist, total fraud, Satan-worshipping Adam Smith wrote Wealth of Nations.
His real reason was to justify the British genocide in India. This was
doubled-down on by Thomas Malthus much later, then their ridiculously obvious
contradictions promptly exposed by German economist Friedrich List. China didn't
take our jobs. Neo-liberalism policy of the 1980's until now literally gave it
to them. My detailed rendition of this may have disappeared from here, but the
effort was, and still is, bi-partisan. The policy dictated that some countries
are better at some things than others and so all we can do now is dig up the
country and grow stuff... we're not allowed to build anything or attempt
self-sufficiency. Australia was actually the first to put up trade restrictions
and China didn't "cause" Covid... that was Bill Gates and Dr Fauci since Davos
they planned it since 2018... started in USA then sent to China to be 'worked
on'. Funded by Warren Buffet and many others. China was a pawn and owes nobody
an apology. Since when does a worker have accountability for doing what they're
paid to do? China wasn't told any truth... all lies and propaganda. There will
never be a war between China and the West. Those who can't see this are
war-mongers and real traitors of this country who love the glory of war which
only serves your agenda to kill more people. How much more innocent blood do you
want on your hands?
I'm very sure Howard was not guilty of those claims made about him.
It would of went to court if that were the case.
Just lies! All lies!
There is no evidence that he was guilty of any wrongs.
The media would of been all over it if he had.
Only the Labor party were on his back, and a small section of the mainstream
media of course.
Labour is actually the correct spelling, not Labor.
Labor is a American devised spelling.
"Check your facts first dopey ".
It's acceptable to use either one.
And I will dam write it however I chose!
You are getting personal now and it seems like you failed.
Lol
Cost only $70 million?
Really?
Not to mention all the extras added on in security and their free legal aid.
You are raving on like a lunatic!
Abortion is a separate issue.
Australia is definitely over populated.
Why isn't their enough housing to go round?
Don't say we need to build more houses to catch up as that take money and
time.
Much of Australia isn't suitable for housing.
Unless you want to live in high rises like they do in China.
So you want more and more trees chopped down and farming land used up?
We might not have some countries huge population, but we can't cope with what we
have now
We are definitely overpopulated.
And house prices are going through the roof.
Rental s going up and up.
More money will be needed to fund infrastructure.
We have crowded roads in the cities.
You don't have a clue about economics.
Scientists are not the greatest judges of population.
It goes on economics first..MR.
One particular economics professor said overpopulation will ruin Australia.
We do so have a right to limit population.
China did for a while.
It obviously was successful.
Hahahahaha.
Back in the 1700s was a different time
Nations were not as overpopulated then.
China did take our jobs even tho it was done legally.
Facts before lies please;
There is proof that China did cause Covid.
It never started anywhere else.
There is no evidence to prove it was done in a lab.
Just rumours.
That's not facts!
Conspiracy theory wont work in a law court.
Companies are greedy ..
so many will take advantage of cheap labour in China if they can and
elsewhere.
The government cannot really stop them.
No use blaming everything on politicians.
We benefit too, as if we keeping buying cheaper goods.
That's why clothing is a lot cheaper than a few decades ago.
The costs are higher in Australia and other western countries to produce.
China could of said NO, but they could not help themselves to our jobs.
They are very good to condem our country tho.
They also have spy's here.
I would not be surprised if you are actually Chinese, or Asian.
Go live there-- if you like those people so much.
I'm not ashamed to defend my Australian ancestry.
I'm not a traitor like some are.
China could start a war and are certainly capable of it.
They don't spend billions on military equipment for nothing.
Many experts think they will at some point.
Hopefully.. the Australian-chinese will return to their homeland before it
starts.
No one is advocating war in Australia.
Only people like you that are clearly paranoid.
But we do have wars going on currently.
It would be foolishness to say we won't be ever involved in another war.
And sometimes it's necessary to do so.
Do you want CHINA to invade Aus one day?
You are the biggest dam propogander of lies.
You are the traitor!
You have not said anything positive about Aus yet.
I bet you aren't even a white person.
You must really enjoy shooting yourself in the foot so frequently! However, I'll
continue to point out your litany of errors so that others might learn something
from this interesting exchange. You don't recall the "children overboard
affair"? That was a proven Howard lie. This "boat people" issue has actually
been all over the media for the past 20 years at least! John Howard knows it,
has written a whole chapter on it in his autobiography, and is actually proud of
it! He firmly believes that it has saved lives. But has it? Nauru has just cost
us an extra $10billion, 12 people have recently died in camps (murdered by
guards, suicide, medical neglect). We keep sending psychiatrists there who
repeatedly report the place is incredibly toxic and akin to torture. Every year,
the UN says it violates the convention against torture and its criminal
prosecutor states it is unlawful under international law. So the bill keeps
growing. You also need to know that John Howard is a trained lawyer (rejected
from the Bar on hearing issues!) and has more than enough protection to never go
on trial. Besides, Abbott and others have further added to that legislation. As
far as political parties go, "Labour" refers to UK Labour Party (check their
website) and Australian Labor Party comes from one of their finest founding
members, American born King O'Malley. These may Not be used interchangeably and
it has been this way since 1912 (catch up with the times). It may help you in
future to read more books and independent investigative journalism instead of
your obsession with Rupert Murdoch's Sky News... this will help with your
spelling and grammar too. Your use of the word "dam" (twice!) means a body of
water... you probably mean "damn", which you're better off not using here at
all. One professor of economics said "overpopulation will ruin Australia"...
oohh, I'm really scared now! There's always plenty who will write such parroted
nonsense in every age... since it was first concocted in c.1759! It has been
proven false in the following age every time.Nobody has any right to limit
population, especially by killing, war, disease, etc... just because it has been
done, doesn't make it right! If people back in the 1700's, 1800's, 1900's, etc,
didn't think they were over-populated then, why did they write whole books and
essays on the subject? They are sold propaganda and lies leading them to this
flawed belief, removed from nature, with false, limited reasoning only to be
later exposed for what it is. There is no "conspiracy theory" about Covid and
nothing's hidden anymore. Once they hauled Pfizer into the courts (again, again
and again!) the whole truth is coming out... follow the money trail!
Unfortunately, government policy did stop manufacturing. It couldn't survive
without a tiny bit of government support each year (for the huge returns it
provides). That was the first thing that went, then tax rates went up, wages and
other costs like rents, council rates, etc kept climbing. Then there was the
legislative onslaught. You need to listen to Kerry Packer when he was questioned
by all those senators back then. It's quite entertaining and informative!
National Competition legislation, stripping away protections every year, no
guaranteed floor prices and consumer laws tightening, personal accountability
where anyone can get sued for anything... it made this place clearly impossible
to make anything anymore, but it made good business sense to go elsewhere. China
is not interested in starting a war, even though the west keeps pushing. Their
defense forces are geared largely for defense, unlike the west whose "defense
forces" are heavily attack focused and China has to keep up to match them.
Furthermore, they're sick of wars and know that no government profits from war,
even those who "win". They prefer trade and have grand plans to expand this by
sea and by land which they have been working on for many years. There is far
more effort going into preventing war on their part than provoking it. Chinese
communities in Australia are very strong, and as others here have mentioned,
they prefer to stay here, regardless. There is the push for conscription here
that you must have missed and whole think tanks and NGO's, especially ASPI are
dedicated firmly towards starting a war by false "research" and misinterpreted
satellite imagery... just read any one of their "reports"... and look who funds
them! So, now that I have rebutted all of your arguments, refraining from
personal attacks on you, the same cannot be said for you. There are two sides to
every story. "Defending your Australian ancestry", as you put it, should not
involve you calling others who don't share your "far right" views, "traitors"
and insinuating they are spies for another country. I love the people of every
country and haven't said anything bad about any people as a country. There is
evil everywhere and it should be called out for what it is, especially war and
all killing. Calling me Chinese or Asian and betting I'm not a white person
means you've just lost all your arguments and all your bets. Racist slurs and
personal attacks should never be tolerated on any forum of opinion.
How pathetic, an American man was involved in starting the labour party.
He must have failed in his home country.
I must admit that labour was a good party a very long time back, but they are
nothing like that now.
They only get limited support and that's with the help of the odd Green
party.
Their support mostly comes from minorities and non white immigrants.
Most of our written language comes from the British.
I refuse to use American grammar and spelling.
Labour is the correct usage of the word.
Our writing is meant to be British based.
The best English dictionarys are all English.
They made a judgmental error when they chose labor instead.
Not anything that you wrote persuaded me that I'm wrong.
I have a high opinion of my beliefs.
You failed miserably!
You are just a S*** stirring pest and it's hard to believe that someone could
be so deluded like you obviously are.
Being on the left as you are, I'm not surprised that you are lacking in
commonsense.
Facts and knowledge is something that you are hopeless at.
You must be proud of that idiot running the country at the moment!
He's a second rate and classless politician.
He's getting heaps of negative media attention.
He's more interested in traveling overseas, going to sporting events,and swiffty
concerts.
Only dumb people like you vote in idiots.
I don't think others really care for your opinion on here .
You are the only one going on like a lunatic on here.
I'm not going into details about what I do or don't know some years back.
I'm not into childishness minds games like you.
They are not errors .
It's you that is lacking in information.
You don't work in parliament obviously, so you only have the same information
that the rest of us have.
I still believe he's innocent.
No where in your writing have you been critical of the smugglers.
They are the only ones responsible and those who were stupid enough to get
aboard those boats.
They could not even prove their identity in many cases.
It was a nice set up by those who were involved.
Howard didn't ask these people to arrive here illegally.
He's not responsible for what those fools did.
Most people know that now.
There isn't anything wrong with my spelling nor grammar.
I write better English than you!
As I said previously, labour is the real word usage, not Labor.
It's just that the stupid labour party chose Labor instead.
You are too stupid to even know that.
Lol.
Half of what you write makes little sense.
You use a lot of so called facts and quotes from others that write books.
Obviously, you are so handicapped by what famous people write...
that you can't think for yourself.
I use my head and I'm a critical thinker
I see both sides before I make judgments.
You have wrote a lot of BS.
Misinformation is all you are capable of.
You have a very dull mind.
I pity you!
You think you know facts when you don't.
Oh don't write such rubbish!
No politicians are above the law and most of the public didn't think he was
guilty.
Another lie by you.
But you would not kno lie if you fell over one.
Narrow minded and non too bright.
You think your an expert on politics and history.
"Keep trying"
You are so immature and backwards.
I all most pity you!
The United nations should but out of Australian affairs.
It's non of their dam business.
I don't care what happened to those people.
There are more worthwhile people that deserve help.
They weren't genuine refugees.
Yes it was a complete waste of government money.
They should have been all sent back.
You must be losing so much sleep over them .
" You poor thing"
Population has been a concern for many people over the years.
Not just one informed Australian man .
Go read up on it more, as you are seriously lacking in knowledge and commonsense
like most people are.
Even others on here said it's a good think if China does lose population.
Commonsense is not your forte.
You would not even have the guts to write this stuff on skynews.
You know that people will try to educate you.
And you sure do need it...
It doesn't matter what the governments of the past did reg to manufacturing.
You cannot change the past and the companies were just as much to blame.
You are a idiot!
Any country has every right to limit population and should.
It will have to happen one day.
Who are you to tell the world what to do?
You obviously don't care about starving kids.
You are sick!
How many Chinese are criminals in Australia?
I've seen mention of it often in the news.
If a war broke out tomorrow I'm pretty sure they would not be on our side.
It doesn't matter how strong they are as they aren't true Aussies.
They are 2 faced, many are.
You moronic creap!
Defending them as you are probably one yourself.
I never lost any argument!
It's you that keeps keeping this going.
You probably spend all day on social media abusing people.
You seem very obsessed!
Why get upset then if you're not Asian?
You talk about slurs and abuse?
Haha.
What the hell are you doing to me?
You try hard I give you that!
Don't use the old racist card.
People like you use to justify hate against whites.
You can be most assured that many Aussies are fed up with people like you.
We know exactly the agenda you people have.
You are going to fail badly in the long run.
You seem very un- Australian.
Maybe you should go live in China.
I hope you will be very happy there!
Where did I say I was on the far right?
Go back and read my writing?
Just because you are on the left obviously.
I will defend my ancestry!
I don't care about other nations as much.
I don't live in other countries.
I see no reason to defend Chinese or whatever.
That's my business!
Go beg the politicians to stop the wars overseas if you are such a fanatic
about it.
Chinese are spy's.
Go read what the media have said last few years.
You might learn more if you actually read more media stuff.
Politicians have said it.
The USA has said it.
Bleeding hearts for the Chinese.
How sad!
China caused Covid and covered it up.
As far as I'm concerned I don't care what happens to China.
We should worry about our own nation.
There people are not our responsibility.
Cost of living like everywhere else & work culture over career opportunities
over there probably means no one can afford to have kids or mentality has
changed.
The results of the one child policy and a disproportionate number of males
compared to females. Many females looking outside China for a partner and
consequently relocate outside of their native country.
We don't need them breeding more of their kind in Australia.
We have too many now.
China is a very racist country no doubt.
Why do they love coming to Australia so much?
Trying to out breed us westerners.
Scary!
As China accesses the rest of the world and sees a very different lifestyle than
their parents lived, I imagine they are looking at different options. Travel and
careers especially.
The one child policy meant that many female babies were discarded or aborted.
They have not planned in the sensible continuation of their population. Now the
younger generation is less interested in having families. The drop in the
economy won't be helping and the thought of war with trying to reintegrate
Taiwan would be unsettling to younger people too as well as watching what
happened with Hong Kong.
Its the long term impact of their one child policy. Women are in short supply,
but culturally they Chinese want very young wives and women no longer want to
marry young as they can have a career.
Because of post-covid affect and current economy situation, China has seen a
significant decrease in its population and I think this trend is not for
short-term and we can it in next few years
china is not a nice place to live. the way the government treated the people
during covid was disgusting. they are penalized by cameras that follow there
every move in the streets, where their money can be withheld, or stopped from
travelling ect if their actions are not to the liking of the government. not a
place you want to stay or start a family in.
What about how China treated the rest of the world?
No apologies, no admitting guilt.
They caused thousands and thousands of deaths around the world.
It cost all the countries billions of dollars.
They should have be made to pay for the damage they caused.
Who cares!
It wont make any difference to Aus.
Covid has done much more harm in China than their one child per couple.
That's no longer the case unfortunately.
Perhaps its got something to do with a rising population being more difficult to
control? I think that ship has already sailed given that there are 1.4 billion
people living there. That also begs the question why would they then want to add
to that by including Taiwan?
Who is going to care for their aging population ? The whole reason you need
replacement population at a minimum is to provide the tax base and employees to
support your non working elderly.
Its one reason why China might have been interested in a virus that is deadly to
the elderly but has little impact on those of healthy working age.......
China cannot be singled out, as they are similar to India in population.
China should go back to their one child per family policy.
Both countries are extremely overpopulated.
Because the number of people dying has exceeded the birth rate. The one-child
policy has had an effect on the population, reducing the number of babies being
born for several decades?. Boys were favored so many girls were aborted or
killed (so less women of reproductive age now).
I think as the governments grip tightens people start to be less settled and are
afraid, after all they witnessed what happened to Hong Kong, and if you aren't
sure of the future you are hardly likely to want to bring children into an
uncertain world.
They are losing population to western countries as well.
I think they need to stay put in their own country.
We don't invade theirs through excessive migration.
They have also taken many western manufacturing jobs.
Countries like the USA, UK, AUS, helped make them a richer nation.
I think the wheels are starting to fall off .
I tend to disagree with many of these statements. Given that the future of this
world is an open borders policy (but not unchecked and thoroughly vetted),
people have a right to travel freely and immigrate to any country that they can
legally do so (UN law). Legal immigrants go through a lot to get here and stay
here. Their contribution to this country's rapid development is simply massive
and they give far more than the tiny bit in government assistance that they
take. Welfare to locals on the other hand, is one of the government's largest
expenses! Enriching our countries is a two-way process. It's just that USA, UK,
AUS, as you mentioned, have squandered that wealth on countless wars and
'interventions' over decades. China has taken exactly zero Western manufacturing
jobs. You need to recall the destructive Neo-Liberalism policies of the 1980's
and even until now adopted in all three countries on Both sides of parliament.
They are the Only cause of death for our manufacturing sector. China and
Australia have the most complimentary trading partnership on earth. We should at
least think well of them, wish them all the best in their efforts to overcome
their setbacks and try to help if asked. When Chinese people do well, so do we.
It is in yours and my best interests to oppose anyone who attempts to destroy
such a relationship that has taken so much work over a long period of time to
develop.
Oh sorry, but I think you are not well!
Go get some help! Whatever is wrong with you isn't my problem.
I have a right to my opinion and you don't have a right to also continue an
argument.
You also accused someone else on here of not caring about the population of
China.
You are the only idiot on here.
Go and get a life!
The Covid disease was caused by China.
They did admit it.
Why would they lie?
The whole world has said it.
Not all of them can be liars.
You obviously don't care for all those people that died.
You are seriously deluded.
You only posted on this particular forum I've noticed.
It seems you have only one reason to be on this forum and not any other.
You just wanted to start an argument.
I don't tolerate bullies very easily.
I can make a list of some Australian companies that produces Australian made
products in Asia.
Some of these businesses used to manufacture in Australia, now they are produced
in Asian countries.
China, South Korea, Thailand, etc.
They definitely do take Australian jobs.
I really don't respect Aussie companies that go offshore just to save money.
Many countries do not allow immigration as a right.
Only western countries allow mass immigration.
Why should western countries, that being ENGLISH speaking countries.. have to
allow this and not CHINA, and JAPAN, etc?
This is unfair!
Some European countries are seeing issues with mass immigration and are now
worried about the affects.
More unemployment, more crime, poverty, etc.
The UN law is absolute joke!
Did the voters in these immigration countries ask for this?
Are our major political parties beholden to the UNITED NATIONS?
Why are they not encouraging immigration to Japan, China, wealthy-- Saudi
Arabia, etc.
Why should only western countries bear the cost and responsibilities of
overpopulated countries.
If the UN were a fair and decent organisation they would put the burden on all
countries, not just rich western nations.
Many migrants are actually not of that much benefit to a country's economy.
Mostly it's skilled migration that is helpful.
It costs billions of dollars to build more schools and hospitals, and homes to
accommodate these people.
Some do pay their way but many don't.
There are many who are let into Australia that have low or no skills.
We need more educated migrants as they contribute the most.
I've known of several migrants from South east Asia that were all on welfare.
Had limited English.
We need more people that will fit in and not be a burden on the government.
Those people have limited abilities and are often on welfare for years, not all,
but many are.
We aren't an Asian country so those who advocate large Asian migration are
fools.
There are many AUSSIES that are now homeless and also in poverty due partly to
immigration.
There aren't enough houses for people now.
Why bring in more than we need.
China did steal jobs from western countries.
Maybe you need to go back and read our economic history.
Australia was doing just fine before we allowed so many people into Aus.
Most of them seem to be non whites these days.
Most AUSSIES do seem very concerned about excessive immigration
The left will always find excuses to import more migrants.
Where is the evidence that large migration is good for a nations economy?
There is actually evidence that the opposite is true.
It's only good for our corrupt major parties and big business.
But the average Aussie doesn't really benefit .
We might trade with China but we certainly don't need their immigrants.
Our heritage is mostly WHITE AND INDIGENOUS.
It's not Asian.
Again, bi-partisan government policy makes manufacturing here nearly impossible
when we used to be world's #1 tooling industry during the Curtain-Chiffley era.
Why can't you recall the speeches made by PM Keating on the issue? He used the
example of building lawn mowers, insisting those who did would rather sell them
than make them and thank him for it. Rolling strikes said quite the opposite!
Guess where PJK got his policy ideas from? It's right there in John Howard's
auto-biography... "there was no more frequent visitor to my office in my
opposition years than Paul Keating". Bi-partisan support. Total lock-step. No
foreign country has ever stolen jobs from us. We literally gave it to them.
Remember the lectures our Neo-liberal pollies gave us that some countries are
always better at some things than others? That right there destroyed any hope of
self-sufficiency and started everyone legislating to kill manufacturing and
privatize public assets on the blatant lie of 'efficiency'.
Why would you honestly care about China's population?
It's not like they are going extinct any time soon.
They are still one of the most over populated countries on earth.
They are starting to struggle a bit economically.
Their youth unemployment is high.
What's the use of breeding more of their own kind if they don't have many jobs
in future years.
While I agree that we have more than enough issues here to deal with and
shouldn't concern ourselves nor compare ourselves with others, it's still good
to care, especially in light of my above argument. I don't buy the
overpopulation theory nonsense. The planet has consistently proven she can
accommodate far more than we thought possible in every age. When we cut down
every tree in Europe to feed the fires of industry, academics pushed for
depopulation to fix it through war and disease. Then we switched to coal and
blew their little minds! When over-crowding and poverty caused essayist Jonathan
Swift to write seriously that we should cook and eat our babies (and we did,
especially here!), we supplemented the energy mix with oil, then added gas and
finally electricity. He quickly went from hero to zero. China has massive
problems with Evergrand's unsupported collapse... the system was bad to begin
with, but the government will deal with it and life will eventually recover and
improve. It is very bad to wish mass-death on a country's people. Thou shalt not
kill goes much further than just abstinence. Child-birth is a fundamental human
right of every woman which pre-dates any clearly defined financial system by
tens of thousands of years. Not seeing future jobs today as a reason not to give
birth is very short-sighted.
So you think it's ok for people to breed when they cannot support themselves?
I think it's sick and cruel to have children if you are living in extreme
poverty.
It should not be a right to have kids if you are not capable of looking after a
child.
Look what happens in many very poor countries.
Where is the right of the children not to be born into a life of hell and
suffering?
Quality of life is more important.
And lack of future jobs will definitely impact on ones quality of life.
The world needs a population plan.
That's why there is so much poverty in the world.
The world cannot keep on growing and growing.
That's insane.
You are ignoring the facts and the world is overpopulated.
There are not a unlimited amount of resources.
We need to respect our environment as other creature's live on this planet
too.
I don't believe you're in touch with those individual people's situations to
make such remarks. Couples make that decision to have kids based on their
current situation. In many countries, lots can happen with government policy
changes and economic situation in nine long months! Inflation in many countries
saw them go from prosperity to bankrupt within weeks, then war and disease...
you can't possibly make such a collective judgement call! The world already has
a population plan... "multiply and be fruitful", means develop and occupy the
earth and advance yourselves with the latest technology to use the abundant
resources much better. Every child is born precisely where and when they need to
be and for a noble and divine purpose. Who are you to say their whole life is
full of suffering due to their parents' poor planing? Look, the idea that this
world has limited resources and we have "perpetual over-population" as it seems,
despite being in a country that has just 1 or 2 people per square kilometer, is
centuries old and is Satanic in origin. Adam Smith wrote a book on it and people
who should know better have kept repeating that utter rubbish in every
generation since, when there's an abundance of evidence to the contrary. The
earth and all of nature's every aspect is purposely designed to keep growing and
expanding, just like our universe, like every fruit tree and plant. There will
be no slave-like jobs as per the current system in future.
ThankGod........the Earth has too many humans as it is..... Most Countries who
aspire to Western Wealth and associated standards of living eventually have a
lower birth rate and ageing population. Probably a combination of selfishness
and greed!
Very true and the world should heed the warnings of over population.
It's not to late to WAKE UP!
China loosing population is a good thing.
Less births per population might just eventually save their economy.
They need to reduce their population by at least half.
The main reason is more people are dying than being born. This is true not only
of China but other countries also. It's not a bad thing as the world is already
overpopulated in many countries. For many years China had a 1 family 1 baby
policy which may also be adding to these statistics as an ingrained 'habit'. So
it's probably good news rather than bad news.
China's population has shrunk for the same reason nearly every other country's
population, minus immigration, has shrunk. The reason why we don't experience
this is only due to immigration. Chinese don't allow mass immigration, like we
do, so it's very obvious. We are lucky in that more immigrants here are going
through legal channels; the USA on the other hand have just had 3.8 million
illegal immigrants - their largest influx in history.
AUS just had an influx of around 40 people turning up at begal bay, WA.
Don't think for one moment that we haven't got a problem with illegal
immigrants.
This seems to be encouraged by the labour party.
We don't need this and these people should be removed and sent straight back to
where they come from.
3rd world nations are encouraging this to happen.
The UNITED NATIONS as well.
Beagle Bay? Forty people from India and Pakistan in 3 separate groups is a
problem? The situation with WA is that far fewer illegals arrived in recent
years than in the 1990's. Labor [sic] has never encouraged illegal immigration.
What PM Howard did was actually illegal, but who was going to enforce
international law on him when we've got UK and USA onside? What we need is
better funding and better processing. What we now have violates human rights.
The issues we have here with this is Nothing compared to the USA and Italy. I
don't believe this is the UN, but someone or some NGO (Soros?) is definitely
paying those illegals.
Howard stopped the boats.
Labour did nothing.
Australia has every right to stop illegals from coming here.
But it won't happen under labour.
If we don't get hard on these people it will get much worse.
It's already happened in Europe and North America.
Illegal immigrants are out of control in the USA.
The UNITED NATIONS has limited say in our immigration policies.
They should just SHUT UP! and stop dictating what we can or cannot do.
Seriously, maybe you need to read up on the concerns most AUSSIES have about
illegal immigrants.
Go check the (skynews site )out about what many AUSSIES are saying.
40 could lead to hundreds more or even thousands comming here.
This sort of thing always happens under a incompetent labour government.
Labour allowed criminals to come out of detention and several have all ready
committed crimes.
Several or so are convicted murderers, rape, thief's, etc.
We certainly don't need these losers in Australia.
The labour government has always been soft on illegal immigrants.
Not the liberals/ national party.
Dutton has spoken of his concerns.
The labour party cannot protect our borders.
Since when did illegal immigrants have so called rights?
Does someone also have rights when they invade a home and steal property?
They are here illegally so should be deported back to their homelands.
But albenese has sent them to naru instead.
No doubt they will be there for years .
While taxpayers have to pay for their survival.
Government, labour will eventually let them live in Australia once all the fuss
dies down.
These people are not genuine .
They are paying people to try and smuggle them into Australia.
They are invading my country and it needs to stop.
John Howard acted illegally and killed many in doing so, endangered the lives of
those carrying out his agenda. Please google it if you won't read his
auto-biography. Labor [sic] (please research this and give its American Founder
Here due credit!), is not soft on illegal immigration, they're just playing by
the rules, which is more difficult and takes longer and more money. In
proportion, illegal immigration here isn't an issue we should worry about and
isn't even worth discussing.
Immigration doesn't make Australia any better.
We are becoming more backwards due to immigration.
Many who cannot or won't assimilate well.
Lack of English and culture differences.
AUS has seemingly forgotten it's heritage.
It doesn't lie with Asia as we aren't Asian by tradition.
This figure is for 2023 from a recent report by John Burns Research and
Consulting. Under the Biden Administration, 8 million illegal immigrants entered
that country. He signed 3 executive orders that incentivized illegal
immigration. At the same time, they've cut funding to essential services.
